and why kerry and obama are being tireless with this situation right now. in both iran and both with the palestinian peace process is because they recognize the possibilities of hope and optimism. and they know that what is can't sustain itself. >> at the same time you have to argue. we don't have time to do this, because we don't. there are whole kinds of arguments you can make here about understanding, you know, you can't negotiate with hitler. given? >> i certainly would have tried if hi been at the dinner table. you darn right i would have tried. and i believe you can negotiate with everyone. >> rose: churchill. >> history will prove that you can't at a certain point because they are madmen or there is something wrong with their brain or they are just sick. >> rose: and the other people arguing with respect to iran and the nuclear thing make this simple argument. sanctions were working, that hard reality of sanctions were working and that's why they came to the table. and it's no time t is no time to pull back on sanctions, that's the argument they grea